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"This Case is Closed" -- HUGE goof
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s***@gmail.com
2005-12-14 00:40:15 UTC
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So many good things about this ep(Eddie Fontaine, Joseph Cotton, Sharon
Gless, James McEachin as the first Dan Shore) And so many goofy things
too. Five car chases, the same voice-over assistant to Shore and
Fontaine, the terrible dancing.

But easily the funniest goof occurs in the opening chase from LAX. The
PI chasing Rockford finally gets his axle greased by Jim forcing him to
back up over a row of security daggers and causing all four tires to
blow out. Thing is, we see the same car a few minutes later, calmly
driving out of the same parking lot, only for the driver to discover
he's lost Jimbo. (And pounding his steering wheel, for good measure.)
What happened to the four tires???? Did he just happen to have four
spares in the back seat?

But that's not the worse part. The most laughable part is: WHO IS THIS
GUY??? We never see him again, we have no idea why he's following Jim,
we have no idea who hired him! He just up and disappears from the
story!!

And Stephen J. Cannell has how many Emmys??
Mike T
2005-12-14 04:19:24 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
So many good things about this ep(Eddie Fontaine, Joseph Cotton, Sharon
Gless, James McEachin as the first Dan Shore) And so many goofy things
too. Five car chases, the same voice-over assistant to Shore and
Fontaine, the terrible dancing.
But easily the funniest goof occurs in the opening chase from LAX. The
PI chasing Rockford finally gets his axle greased by Jim forcing him to
back up over a row of security daggers and causing all four tires to
blow out. Thing is, we see the same car a few minutes later, calmly
driving out of the same parking lot, only for the driver to discover
he's lost Jimbo. (And pounding his steering wheel, for good measure.)
What happened to the four tires???? Did he just happen to have four
spares in the back seat?
But that's not the worse part. The most laughable part is: WHO IS THIS
GUY??? We never see him again, we have no idea why he's following Jim,
we have no idea who hired him! He just up and disappears from the
story!!
And Stephen J. Cannell has how many Emmys??<
Cannell aside, I hadn't seen that ep. in ages and that scene jumped out at
me too. (Didn't know *flames* lept out of those tire spikes either!)
Obviously, they had to make the the gag / stunt visible for the television
audience, but the car driving away shortly after was just strange. And, as
you say, who the hell was that guy anyway?

Look, I love TRF and I'll gladly suffer a few continuity errors here and
there - but that's a weird one if I've ever seen it. As you mention, he
replaced all FOUR tires in that space of 'TV' time? Preposterous, but in the
land of make believe it's okay. No-one ever had the crystal ball of knowing
we'd be able to scrutinize these shows in non 'real time' decades later.
Someday, folks will look at non HD television and wonder how people watched
low-rez 525 NTSC TV in the 'old-days'.

Goood call nonetheless.
Mike T.
s***@gmail.com
2005-12-14 15:40:25 UTC
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Mike,

Thanks for the nice words. We both caught this. And it would be
interesting to know what the editors were thinking!

As c18 pointed out, even the 90 minute version of TCIC is way bloated.
Let's say we eliminate the opening chase from LAX and assume that guy
was supposed to be in "Quincy" instead. Cut the many and looong chases
in half. Cut out the really bad dancing. And cut out so many of the
shots/scenes that make no sense. (For instance, when Rockford decides
to revisit Shore, we have that completely unnecessary sequence of
several shots where Eddie Fontaine's intercom assistant[obviously just
fired and moved to LA], now works for Shore. He tells him, "Hey boss,
thanks for giving me job so quickly. I was getting tired of working for
Eddie Fontaine back in Newark anyway. Oh, by the way, there's a Jim
Rockford here to see you." And we get the response: "Welcome aboard,
Intercom guy. Glad to have you working for the Feds. Tell Rockford that
Shore is with the Chief and will be with him shortly."

Etc. If we eliminated all this surreal stuff, we would have a normal
50-minute episode. Personally, I think that Bunuel was the real
director of TCIC.

'Cause there's so much good stuff in it! Jim and Cotton. Jim and
Fontaine. Jim and Shore. Jim and Rocky. Jim and those 2 guys in the
Newark motel room who destroy Rockford's rotor. Jim and that
Frankenstein-looking guy in the car ride to meet "Mr. Big". Jim and
Torrance Beck. And the scenes with Garner and Sharon Gless are very
intimate and tender. (I look forward to seeing her on DVD in the
upcoming "The Fourth Man" ep.)
c18tZa33
2005-12-14 08:17:40 UTC
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Those are some pretty blatant continuity errors that you point out. I've
noticed them before but always attributed them to the fact that I was
watching a heavily edited version of the show on WGN or A&E. But this is on
the DVD version, with TCIC being extended, not edited from its original
version. Maybe they didn't have a person assigned to continuity back then
like they do now. I'll have to watch it again.

I've always felt this was kind of a bloated ep that could have used much
tighter editing, but there are things I like about it. Joseph Cotton, for
one, when he tries to blackmail Jim into working for him and then Jim turns
the tables on him. Cotton's response..."Your ethics are lousy".
s***@gmail.com
2005-12-14 15:23:42 UTC
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c18t,

You just reminded me of another one: Cotten makes a big deal about
meeting Jim right away, because he must know what Jim found out in
Newark. Cotten wants Jim to come to his estate, but Jim insists on some
crummy nearby seafood restaurant. During the meeting, Cotten fires Jim.
(Actually, it's a pretty funny and well-written scene.) And Cotten
makes a big deal about getting the Newark info ASAP. He also makes a
bunch of speeches about ethics, etc. But:

He winds up leaving the restaurant before Jim gives him any Newark
info!

Did the writers forget about this in the middle of shooting???

What a goofy episode!
GreatRedeemer
2005-12-15 10:16:20 UTC
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Swooning wrote (re; This Case is Closed);
"...What happened to the four tires???? Did he just happen to have four
spares in the back seat?
But that's not the worse part. The most laughable part is: WHO IS THIS
GUY??? We never see him again, we have no idea why he's following Jim..."

This has always struck me a kind of strange. Even the scene where Jim
calls the DMV to esbalish the drivers identity is waste of time, given we
never see him again (though the conversation with Jim [putting on an
accent] and the DMV lady is entertaining - "I told you Eddie, they can't
do that its 'gainst the rules or something")
Anyway, Jim estblishes that it was a PI called Fishback, who goes
uncredited at the end of the story. However, the actor appears again in
series (sometimes credited sometimes speaking or non-speaking); he is Fred
Lerner. He can also be spotting driving in 'Roundabout' and with the
electric cattle prod in 'The Family Hour' and later in 'Piece Work'. He
gets around. I think he was a stand in / extra or possbly just a stunt
driver (or rather someone who drove cars in the series).

TCIC in its two part format boasts some of the best incidental music of
the entire series - my favourite is the tune played when Jim drives to
meet Jamison at the Restuarent and then leaves and is followed by Feds to
the gas station. Its a great piece.

GR
s***@gmail.com
2005-12-15 14:41:41 UTC
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GR,

My God, you're right. I completely forgot about that whole DMV part.
(See how easy it is to forget story points?<g>) Well, there goes
another couple minutes onto the editing floor!

Lots of the music is great. I do want to know who wrote the music and
did the choreography for the beach party dancing. That guy and girl
look as if they're both about to take a dump.
AlbertClarkson
2005-12-16 08:43:31 UTC
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Great Redeemer writes: "...Jim establishes that (the guy following Jim from
the airport in TCIC) is a PI called Fishback ...whom we never see again.

"...TCIC boasts some of the finest incidental music in the entire
series-my favourite is the tune played when Jim drives to meet Jamison at
the Restaurant and then leaves and is followed by the Feds to the gas
station. Its a great piece."

Agreed on the music. Like it a lot. Find lots of such cases of incidental
music throughout TRF which IMO are excellent. Would no doubt be in
agreement with other musical choices of yours in other eps besides the one
you cite for TCIC.

Re gaffes in TCIC: In my view (and as long as we're cataloging them or
"piling on") TCIC seems to me to have more than its share of big and
little problems with continuity, obvious staging effects (or directorial
conveniences in scene structuring which though they might have "eased"
things in the shooting and/or editorial moment end up in the final product
striking us in the audience as laughably not-true-to-life), unexplained
appearances of characters and occurrences, and dopey acting by "extras" in
the background of the night-club and of the social-event settings...yet
IMO it's a terrific ep, highly entertaining, and one of my favorites (and
favourites, too) for lots of reasons already pointed out by others.

For example (just a tiny one out of many), I had to laugh at the hired
muscle--the huge guy with the beard--that sits in the chair in Rockford's
Newark motel room and glares at Rockford but won't say "Hi" while the
other, more suave heavy explains things (gives "sound advice") to
Rockford. That particular silent muscle stands out for me in a great,
funny gallery of hired muscle in TRF.

But as to the nitpics: The unusually notable continuity and other problems
in TCIC to me seem especially present early in that ep.

For what it's worth--probably little--here's some additional stuff to what
we've been citing recently in the present thread about TCIC along these
lines, some of this additional stuff really in the almost meaningless
nitpic category, and which we kicked around awhile back in the NG in a
short thread.

In the opening, when the 747 lands at LAX, there's a camera shot from an
airliner undercarriage where the wheels touch down on the tarmac. Then we
break again (actully we resume) to a panoramic side view (and hence a few
seconds later in the 747-landing sequence) of the presumably already
touched-down plane. But in this succeeding sideways-pan it still hasn't
quite touched down yet.

In the airport parking garage, Jim's Firebird is conveniently parked just
outside the elevator and the drivers-side window is down and the car is
unlocked though he's returned from a trip to New Jersey and you lock your
car in airport parking garages, don't you? Almost everyone does,
especially while away for days on coast-to-coast flights.

When Jim and the pursuing Fishback respectively pass the airport parking
garage pay station and its attendent in exiting the parking garage, they
each hand the attendent what looks like a piece of white paper and are
waved on through--there is no sense of the usual, i.e., waiting for the
attendant to punch-in the ticket, determine the charge, take what's often
not the exact payment amount from the driver, make change and hand that
change and a receipt stub (for the expense report)to the exiting driver.

When a few minutes later Fishback backs over the row of spikes at the
parking lot, the angle of Jim's Firebird as it explodes from its hiding
place across the street and bears in on a front-end "collision course" to
"force" Fishback to rapidly throw his gray Chevy into reverse gear isn't,
it doesn't appear to me, really on a collision line sufficiently to compel
Fishback to back-up ALL the way, more than a few feet, in fact--puncturing
all four tires on the spikes: when you look at the angles and speed it
seems at least that Fishback's backup is a little too obviously forced for
directorial purposes (not as it's supposed to be out of an audience
illusion that there is fear of collision), so as to get the full,
obviously planned scenic effect of blowing out all four tires. It's
relatively a pretty lengthy back-up distance, IMO.

Just a funny aside--that's Delgado, the already paying customer, trying to
look surprised and irritated in the old clunker in front of Jim that Jim
uses his Firebird to ram and push under the raised striped blocking gate
when Jim earlier in the sequence forces his way into the parking lot
without paying and to minimize delay in entering the lot.

PI Martin Fishback--as I recall he drives a drab, official-looking gray
chevy and this brand/color are later specifically called out as the easily
spotted telltale kind of car the feds are issued and drive when they
pursue Jim in TCIC. Jim, as I recall, at one point ALSO notes aloud that
Fishback (though not in this observation using the name "Fishback" though
he's referring to him) was pursuing Jim in a gray Chevy. Yet Fishback is a
PI, not a fed. That's strange and since Fishback's appearance isn't
explained, it makes you speculate briefly as to: was he, in his gray
Chevy, a "contract" guy for the feds. Doesn't make sense. Did Jamison hire
him to check on Jim. Doesn't make sense, at least not by anything Jamison
says explicitly, though Jamison does give the direct sense that he's
decided Jim is "reliable." How did he decide this? Yet Jim's going to the
trouble (in one of those classic funny scenes in which Rockford puts-on
bureaucrats to get normally witheld info) to talk the telephone woman into
ID'ing Fishback suggests (repeat, suggests [doesn't nail down]) to me that
the most plausible explanation here is that originally in the teleplay,
there was enough in the early scenes put in as written for Fishback to
figure in explicitly...to make sense as a character. My guess--only a
guess--is that this inexplicability about Fishback is a director/film
editor problem, maybe caused by (a) time constraints forcing some dubious
cutting and/or(b)not-so-hot directing.

Anyway, idle speculation, to say the least.

Finally, who in the hell is that 1970's-Hollywood-looking guy sitting at
the table at the party who tells Jamison's daughter (Sharon Gless) that
Rockford isn't a dubious corporate analyst but a detective? He and
Rockford, you get the sense from the way the guy casually acknowledges
Rockford, might even know one another. But this is left hanging. (This
sequence of identification--puncturing Jim's alias--is obviously necessary
to later plot development.) I dimly remember that in that earlier thread
in the NG on all this stuff, one poster discovered a novel or story that
TCIC may have been derived from in which the guy at the table is
identified and his prior relationship explained. Could be wrong here, but
seems this was the case.

Anyway, as Mike T says, who'd a thunk at the time we'd be doing
non-real-time analysis?

Love the ep, no matter the nitpicks. Too many good things in it not to.
s***@gmail.com
2005-12-16 14:47:27 UTC
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Great post, Alfred. Really good stuff.

Yeah, who is that George Clooney-wannabe who exposes Jim at the party??
Perhaps the episode was, like "Profit and Loss", written and shot as a
two-hour two-parter, but when they saw what they had, choked a bit, and
said, "There's too much crap here, let's reduce it."

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